[repost] Amber minor restoration project!!

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[repost] Amber minor restoration project!!

Post by TheSOXMania » Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:45 pm

So I was lucky enough to get a deal on this canopy and gear tray. it's a little on the tatty side but that's to be expected for what is nearly a 60 year old lantern... No control gear or diffuser, the seals are perished to hell (they actually disintegrated while I was giving the canopy a quick spruce up to get the junk out of it), and there's a hole drilled in the canopy which I can only assume was to accept a Royce Thompson P42, but it's in decent overall nick. it still has the clamp on the front so I can easily get a replacement diffuser and it'll be a 2 second job to fit.

Since these things are so robust and easy to work on, the list of things to do is surprisingly small. It mainly consists of removing the rust off the gear tray and repainting it, cleaning the canopy some more to get rid of the black paint that (for some inexplicable reason) is on there and all-in-all making look pretty. Might even see about getting a Royce Thompson P42 photocell to fill the hole that's in the top although since this lantern won't be getting re-deployed outdoors there's no real *need* to fill that hole outside of aesthetics.

I have images of this fixture striking a Philiips 35w SOX from me testing the lamp socket to make sure it made contact with the lamp base. Sadly, as the image list is very extensive I can't compress that into one post so there will be some replies below.
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Bare minimum the socket holds a lamp nicely.
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lamp socket's in good shape. a little chipped and one of the pins is loose but that's nothing major. a quick turn of the screwdriver will fix the looseness!
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canopy's in good shape bar the random hole. the locking bolts for the spigot were a bit stiff but that's nothing a little WD40 can't fix!
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Gear tray has some surface rust but otherwise it's a good candidate for restoration. could do with a clean though!!
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initial inspection. certainly needed a bit of a clean!!
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Re: [repost] Amber minor restoration project!!

Post by TheSOXMania » Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:49 pm

Here's the remainder of the images I have for this project at the moment:
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externally geared by my ballast box... struck like a charm!!
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Initial socket test...
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Seals look a little worse for wear... might have to replace those!
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We have a clip!!!
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Re: [repost] Amber minor restoration project!!

Post by MissRiaElaine » Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:39 pm

Looking good, we're in the middle of restoring a Thorn Beta 5, all the rewiring is done, we just need to spruce up the housing now, so the elbow grease will need to be brought out :o
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Re: [repost] Amber minor restoration project!!

Post by TheSOXMania » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:17 am

Update #1

I've ordered some neoprene to replace the stuff that totally obliterated itself during the initial clean and some rust remover. I'm also looking into self-etching primers and heat resistant paints/lacquers to respray the gear tray with. I'll have pictures as soon as that stuff arrives and I can get to stripping the gear tray back to bare metal.

My original plan was to do a full rust removal and have the gear tray powder coated but I'd like to get this project moved forward as quickly as possible. I'm an impatient fellow and desperate to see what the end result will look like.

Was also thinking of using brasso on the canopy to give it a little shine after clearing off what looks to be paint... that'll take some stewing over though since these are pressure cast aluminimum and not polished to a gleam when new. could be an interesting look though!!


ooh... and before I forget :)
MissRiaElaine wrote:Looking good, we're in the middle of restoring a Thorn Beta 5, all the rewiring is done, we just need to spruce up the housing now, so the elbow grease will need to be brought out :o


Awesome stuff!! I hope you're gonna share pictures when it's complete!! Beta 5's are one of the best looking SOX lanterns when they've undergone a complete overhaul!!
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Re: [repost] Amber minor restoration project!!

Post by MissRiaElaine » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:03 pm

TheSOXMania wrote: ooh... and before I forget :)
MissRiaElaine wrote:Looking good, we're in the middle of restoring a Thorn Beta 5, all the rewiring is done, we just need to spruce up the housing now, so the elbow grease will need to be brought out :o


Awesome stuff!! I hope you're gonna share pictures when it's complete!! Beta 5's are one of the best looking SOX lanterns when they've undergone a complete overhaul!!
Definitely :D

There are a few pictures on LG but will post some here when the job is finished :)
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Re: [repost] Amber minor restoration project!!

Post by TheSOXMania » Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:45 pm

Update #2: canopy facelift

So where we left off, I ordered supplies to clean the gear tray. In the meantime, I gave myself something to do by taking nearly 60 years (literally and metaphorically) off the canopy with a very light sanding. Also, I gave the whole thing a run over with brasso to get shot of the roughness the sanding leaves. I did a patch test on a spot that's covered by an aluminium part and it didn't shine up much more than it already was, so I used that as my benchmark and made it to this stage... oh, and the GE kolorlux is a new arrival that came in while I was in the middle of cleaning... I might make a post on it soon. I struck it up on my test board and after a small flickerfest it fired right up.
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Sanded and brasso'd. Nice balance of shine and dullness.
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Sanded along the original marks that were there originally... way nicer than it was before!
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The front of this used to be totally black...
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Canopy top after some light sanding and brasso
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Re: [repost] Amber minor restoration project!!

Post by MissRiaElaine » Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:00 pm

Looks good, that's given us a few ideas, thanks :D
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Re: [repost] Amber minor restoration project!!

Post by TheSOXMania » Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:04 pm

MissRiaElaine wrote:Looks good, that's given us a few ideas, thanks :D
Glad to be of assistance ;)
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Re: [repost] Amber minor restoration project!!

Post by LinearSLI-H » Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:11 am

Shame this didn`t have the original ballast in it, it would have been the old SOI beast!, I use to have one, but it failed on night, with a tiny popping sound, and a little wiff of smoke from the terminal block :cry:
FEED THE MOOMIN!!

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Re: [repost] Amber minor restoration project!!

Post by MissRiaElaine » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:37 pm

LinearSLI-H wrote:Shame this didn`t have the original ballast in it, it would have been the old SOI beast!, I use to have one, but it failed on night, with a tiny popping sound, and a little wiff of smoke from the terminal block :cry:
Always a problem when you let the smoke out :(

What I've always wanted to know is how do they get it in there in the first place..? :-?
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Re: [repost] Amber minor restoration project!!

Post by Paul » Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:22 pm

It's very much like the technique they use for putting fish farts in spirit levels. Collecting them first is the trickiest bit.. like the whisps of smoke! :rofl :rofl

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Post by MissRiaElaine » Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:51 pm

Paul wrote:It's very much like the technique they use for putting fish farts in spirit levels. Collecting them first is the trickiest bit.. like the whisps of smoke! :rofl :rofl
Ah, I thought it must be something like that 8-)
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Post by TheSOXMania » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:57 pm

Paul wrote:It's very much like the technique they use for putting fish farts in spirit levels. Collecting them first is the trickiest bit.. like the whisps of smoke! :rofl :rofl
I'm a professional smoke letter / filler. when it comes to letting the smoke out that's the easy part. capturing it requires a good pair of lungs and lightning fast reactions... and when it comes time to use said smoke to bring a thing back to life, you need the smoke, 1 middle finger and about 200,000 volts AC.
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Post by TheSOXMania » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:01 pm

LinearSLI-H wrote:Shame this didn`t have the original ballast in it, it would have been the old SOI beast!, I use to have one, but it failed on night, with a tiny popping sound, and a little wiff of smoke from the terminal block :cry:
Yeah, it's a bummer but understandable since the cutouts for a cap and igniter aren't drilled like they should be. I can only assume this was a remote geared fixture when it was originally installed. On the bright side though, if I decide to re-gear it, a BSX-355L-82 should fit nicely and I can drill the cap and igniter posts. HOWEVER, I might just zip tie the cap and igniter to the ballast if I ever gear this fixture to keep the gear tray as original as possible.
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Post by TheSOXMania » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:08 pm

On another note... I did just find a 40w leak transformer on eBay for somewhat cheap... that could be worth a skeg if it's still there when I have the money...
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Re: [repost] Amber minor restoration project!!

Post by MissRiaElaine » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:09 pm

TheSOXMania wrote:I'm a professional smoke letter / filler. when it comes to letting the smoke out that's the easy part. capturing it requires a good pair of lungs and lightning fast reactions... and when it comes time to use said smoke to bring a thing back to life, you need the smoke, 1 middle finger and about 200,000 volts AC.
Do you do fish farts as well..? :P
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Post by TheSOXMania » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:12 pm

MissRiaElaine wrote:
TheSOXMania wrote:I'm a professional smoke letter / filler. when it comes to letting the smoke out that's the easy part. capturing it requires a good pair of lungs and lightning fast reactions... and when it comes time to use said smoke to bring a thing back to life, you need the smoke, 1 middle finger and about 200,000 volts AC.
Do you do fish farts as well..? :P
nah, I was reliably informed you use bicycle pumps for those as they are quite noxious.
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Post by TheSOXMania » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:24 am

Update #3: STRIP ME HONEY!!!

the rust remover has arrived, so I am now soaking the gear tray in spirit to loosen the paint and I've mixed the rust remover ready for later. I may be picking up the paint either today or tomorrow if I can. Coming along nicely I must say!!
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The pin for the refractor will also be getting the rust remover treatment...
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Soaking the paint off
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Gear tray as it was...
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Pretty colours!!!
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Post by TheSOXMania » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:15 pm

Update 3.5: I bought a stripper!!!

...paint stripper. And it's doing a half decent job so far. Better than the spirit. That's for sure!!

I also got the paint today. I opted to go with an enamel radiator paint as that will be heat resistant and hard wearing. That'll be applied after rust removal.

BTW... If I become incoherent, blame the paint stripper... it's fairly potent smelling stuff!!! Got the whole thing covered and my room vented though so it shouldn't hit me too hard.
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Focusing on the back now as it's quite thickly applied there.
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Round 1 complete.
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Post by Paul » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:22 pm

I used radiator paint on my Alpha 3 restoration... works well.

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Post by MissRiaElaine » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:29 pm

It's certainly looking good so far. We're about to start a thorough clean of the casting on our Beta 5. It's not too bad, but will need a couple of pots of elbow grease and a tin of Brasso to get it looking its best. I need to think about the best way of tackling the ballast though, it's looking decidedly old, but repainting it would mean destroying the label, which I don't really want to do.

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Post by Paul » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:20 pm

I find paint restorer car polish works well, just don't polish over the label!

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Post by TheSOXMania » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:31 pm

MissRiaElaine wrote:It's certainly looking good so far. We're about to start a thorough clean of the casting on our Beta 5. It's not too bad, but will need a couple of pots of elbow grease and a tin of Brasso to get it looking its best. I need to think about the best way of tackling the ballast though, it's looking decidedly old, but repainting it would mean destroying the label, which I don't really want to do.

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If you can find a cheap source of teflon you could make a teflon label peeler. The only issue would be that the label itself will have been cooked by the lamp so you'll need some double sided tape to put it back on if you paint it instead of polishing.

With mine, the label was gone anyway and the paint was too far shot to be able to use a restorer. Not to mention the light surface rust, although I've managed to clear that and we're onto the fun part :)
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Post by TheSOXMania » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:38 pm

Update #4: dress-up game

I got bored during the rust removal so I decided to blast the rest of the pitting off with a bunch of sanding. Did the trick wonderfully. In fact, it went so well I just painted it!! Could use a lot of work on my technique because I overdid the first 2 coats but I can sand that flat, add a fresh coat on top and it'll be right as rain. I'm using radiator enamel to help with longevity and heat resistance. Should be good for another 60 or so years when I'm done!!
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Re: [repost] Amber minor restoration project!!

Post by TheSOXMania » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:43 pm

MissRiaElaine wrote:It's certainly looking good so far. We're about to start a thorough clean of the casting on our Beta 5. It's not too bad, but will need a couple of pots of elbow grease and a tin of Brasso to get it looking its best. I need to think about the best way of tackling the ballast though, it's looking decidedly old, but repainting it would mean destroying the label, which I don't really want to do.

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in fact, I wonder if you'd be able to mask around the label and just clear the ballast with some rust converting gel and then hit it with a coat or two of radiator enamel?
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