Is this REALLY the new Thorn Popular Pack?!

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Is this REALLY the new Thorn Popular Pack?!

Postby Paul » Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:19 am

Is this really the new Thorn Popular Pack?! Has it really been reduced to this?!! :shock:
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Re: Is this REALLY the new Thorn Popular Pack?!

Postby SuperSix » Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:11 pm

Yes, it's been reduced to a pile of crap! Only available with HF gear and so I've been told, the body of the fitting is really thin and the tubes don't fit very well.

If I ever was to get one of these I'd rip the HF ballast out and either replace it with a choke and starter or fit one of those Transtar electronic start ballasts.

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Re: Is this REALLY the new Thorn Popular Pack?!

Postby Paul » Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:21 pm

st_tdci was wondering if it was purely a T5 lamp model?
Made me laugh actually - he commented that some time soon, the lamps will be captive to the fittinf and the HF control gear will be interchangeable!! :lol:

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Re: Is this REALLY the new Thorn Popular Pack?!

Postby Kev » Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:55 pm

YES thorn have had complaints about how crap this really is, Yes HF gear is more ECO friendly but it is simply NOT as reliable as a good old switch start! I for one have gone over to fitzgerald now because this thing really is pathetic. You have to fix the base of the fitting to the ceiling first then the rest of it just pops on, Problem is if the ceiling is a not level the fitting falls down lol! This is a cheap nasty god awuful pile of junk made with razor blades it is an insult to the pop pack!

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Re: Is this REALLY the new Thorn Popular Pack?!

Postby Paul » Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:36 pm

The only thing this design seems to have going for it is that it looks reminiscent of the original Thorn Popular Pack Mk I with regards to it's end profile...

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Postby SuperSix » Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:06 am

I said exactly the same thing the other day on another site! The lamps will be permanently fitted because they'll never blow.

Which one do they class as the MK1? Is that the one with BC holders where the whole fitting screws up the ceiling and there's no cover plate? I know they classed things like the Atlas Superslim as a Popular Pack later on.

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Postby Paul » Thu Jan 06, 2011 6:54 pm

The Mk 1 was indeed a bayonet capped fitting, which had a ceiling backplate, about 2ft long to which the fitting was attached.
There was a photo on the Thorn website but it now appears to have been taken off :cry:

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Re: Is this REALLY the new Thorn Popular Pack?!

Postby Kev » Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:59 pm

Thorn are just Junk now, Cheap and out to rip everyone off! I was speaking to the manager in Rexel Senate (who have kicked thorn out) they had a load of Thorn stuff specked on a job they were supplying the material for, They over ordered £1000 Worth of Lamp Posts and when senate said about a return for the over ordered columns Thorn said they will take them back but at 100% cost!!! They screwed them over!

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Re: Is this REALLY the new Thorn Popular Pack?!

Postby Tom » Sat Jan 08, 2011 2:45 pm

The original Popular Pack was launched in 1954 and as mentioned by close_9, was featured on Thorn's website. It had metal anti flicker shields, about 6" long at each end which concealed the BC holders and held the tube in place. I have also seen both 2' and 4' versions which had the early tombstone style slotted lampholders which were hidden by the same plastic endcaps which were used on the 5' BC model, with a slot provided to align with the lampholders. The 5' BC models had side mounted starter sockets whilst the 2' and 4' had the starter socket at one end behind the tube, as seen on those cheap generic european battens that were sold in DIY stores across the land in the 80s.
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Re: Is this REALLY the new Thorn Popular Pack?!

Postby Kev » Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:36 pm

I have some similar fittings, But they are philips with the metal caps that hide the BC lamp holders, I want to get them out of the loft and re-powder coated ETC but due to time and the things weighing an absolute TON i have not got them out yet! I will post pictures up of my 1954 GEC industrial fittings tho!

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Postby Kev » Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:26 pm

UPDATE After speaking to my suppliers today about getting some older shap Thorn PP258 Switch starts x5 to replace guess what...blown up HF I made it clear i wanted the older better pop pack and after a short chat they guy told me they are still making the older style as the new one is a flop so far lol people do not like it!

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Postby SuperSix » Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:56 pm

I still can't believe though that they got some sort of design award for this thing though, HOW!? I've seen them in person now and they are absolute crap, you can bend and twist the body so easily not to mention the HF gear which is only expected to last a few years.

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Postby Kev » Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:32 pm

Is there anyway to find out who gave them such an award. They desirve a fine not an award! I bet they can make this pos for pennies, Where have you seen one in person now?

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Re: Is this REALLY the new Thorn Popular Pack?!

Postby XmasLightGuy » Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:38 am

Seeing the picture, I kinda like the look of this one.
Too bad the quality is poor

So many lights days are made of paper-thin metal :(

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Re: Is this REALLY the new Thorn Popular Pack?!

Postby SuperSix » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:55 am

Well I have to confess when I first saw the picture I thought it was an interesting design. I did have doubts over quality and control gear though, turned out to be a pile of crap!

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Re: Is this REALLY the new Thorn Popular Pack?!

Postby Kev » Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:49 pm

Where did you finally come across one eliot?

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Re: Is this REALLY the new Thorn Popular Pack?!

Postby SuperSix » Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:57 pm

On youtube, I was even stupid enough to leave a comment somewhere saying it looks nice! :o :oops:

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Re: Is this REALLY the new Thorn Popular Pack?!

Postby MetalHalideHater » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:45 pm

The ballasts in these seem to be quite good from what I've seen in school. Working every day for at least 2 years. Still nothing compared to the old pps.

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Postby Jack_T » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:14 am

MetalHalideHater wrote:The ballasts in these seem to be quite good from what I've seen in school. Working every day for at least 2 years. Still nothing compared to the old pps.

Two years? LOL a SS ballast would do 50! Also I've actually seen some of these! My local wholesaler ordered them by mistake, told Thorn to take them back because they were so rubbish, the woman was telling me they were ***** off to say the least :P

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Re: Is this REALLY the new Thorn Popular Pack?!

Postby Danny » Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:39 pm

Bet the fittings are nearly dust though! or are taped up what a load of cr@p these things are they make me want to :vomit bring back the Grey sided Pop pack!

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Re: Is this REALLY the new Thorn Popular Pack?!

Postby FrontSideBus » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:10 pm

We should start our own company that makes fittings designed to last at least 50 years with various control gear options and tube sizes... :lol:
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Postby Jack_T » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:23 pm

FrontSideBus wrote:We should start our own company that makes fittings designed to last at least 50 years with various control gear options and tube sizes... :lol:

LOL I think lasting 5 years would put Thorn out of business!

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Re: Is this REALLY the new Thorn Popular Pack?!

Postby FrontSideBus » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:34 pm

Or just sell refurbished old units from Thorn... :lol:
Just have a big electrolysis tank for the rust, send em off to be powder coated and then fit new ballast and wiring if required.
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Re: Is this REALLY the new Thorn Popular Pack?!

Postby Kev » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:52 pm

Yes and what would be even better, The single insulated Grey pop packs with the exposed live parts inside. No one but an electrician messed with them! Built to last though. Tough as nails.

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Re: Is this REALLY the new Thorn Popular Pack?!

Postby Jack_T » Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:14 pm

Bloody hell Kev!


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